troops that the pentagon, after the wars wind down, wants to get rid of and increase the size of the navy. it depends on whether you feel now is the time to increase defense spending or put it in our economic debt crisis. it's a pretty good distinction. but to what end? the debate was supposed to give you a framework on what the president would do with foreign policy and we didn't get a lot of that. gwen: molly, you've been going out on the actual campaign trail with people who are door-knockers and so on every day. i wonder whether these issues we talk about in our little hothouse in washington come up when people are trying to get voters to though -- show up to vote? >> they do. it's easy to say voters don't care about x, y, or z but voters are smarter than we think and they pay attention and are processing all this in a very careful way. one woman in florida said the reason she's still undecided is she has all the debates on d.v.r. and wants to do her homework. gwen: what? what? that sounds awful to me! >> i know. but there was tremendous earnestness. a lot of the undecided voters are